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Alan Wenpei Mao
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I was thinking about how much Umbrella tells its USS teams versus their UBCS teams. The USS teams know a lot about the T-virus and its effects, yet the UBCS seem untrained to deal with the T-virus. USS members are better trained then UBCS members.


UBCS cannot deal with zombies for some reason. Some of them panick and run. If so, then what have the UBCS been dealing with before the outbreak? What have they been trained to deal with? Are they trained only to deal with infected animals and escort scientists and retrieve research data and destroy evidence?:D

April 16, 2013 at 1:30 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I'm not too sure about that either but as far as I understood the UBCS are just mercs, hired to clean up Umbrella's mess. They don't need to know much, do the job, no questions asked. Or answered for that matter. The USS seemed to be specially trained to go up against humans and BOWs alike, so they deal with Umbrella's bigger messes. But somehow I believe that both USS and UBCS have one factor in common: Umbrella thinks they're both expendable when the situation calls for a cover-up.

If it weren't for men like HUNK, Carlos and good old Nicolai we wouldn't even give those teams a second thought, I guess. We'd just think of them as Umbrella's goons.

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April 18, 2013 at 1:24 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Both the USS and UBCS knew about the t-virus and B.O.W.s, and both received anti-B.O.W. training and antibodies and so on. Literally the only difference is that the UBCS is a public force of expendables primarily used to clean-up situations of B.O.W.s going out of control. Meanwhile the USS is tasked with protecting Umbrella executives and facilities and carrying out more top-secret missions.

August 17, 2013 at 8:23 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Another difference is that Spencer's right hand, Sergei, is the one who founded the UBCS and Monitor, but not the USS. Ironic, given that he knows all of Umbrella's sordid little secrets and founds one organization fitting that category, but one that is in the dark, and has nothing to do with the third who are also on the shadier side of the spectrum in the company.


I always found it interesting that Wesker commanded them to clean up Marcus' mess on the Ecliptic Express, basically on a whim from the looks of it. As Chief of Security in the Arklay branch, I think it's possible Wesker had something to do with the USS' founding, unless a file contradicts this in any way.

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August 18, 2013 at 12:13 AM Flag Quote & Reply

fletcherc
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Now I have to ask: is there a file that states what kind of training both the USS and the UBCS have received? I mean apart from that rather short note in UC. While playing RE3 I always thought that the UBCS members shown in the opening scene acted more like headless chickens than a trained team of ex-soldiers and mercs. To me it seemed they didn't know anything about what they were dealing with.

Besides: B.O.W. training would certainly include the vital information that headshots work best against any infected creature. Not one of the UBCS members we see even tried aiming for the head. They just panicked and they weren't even up against the bigger threats like Birkin or Nemesis.

@M-Greg: maybe USS was already founded when Sergei put his troops together? I can only speculate of course. Is their a specific date when Sergei founded the UBCS? 

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August 19, 2013 at 8:55 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I would argue the reason Sergei never founded the U.S.S. is because they likely already existed before he joined the company. 

The U.B.C.S. were for the most part, expendable. That was the reason they were all mercenaries and war criminals and not directly tied to the company. Their remit was for missions with a predicted high-mortality rate. 

The U.S.S. worked in smaller squads, were better trained and more covert. Much like the S.A.S. or Navy S.E.A.L.S. Plus their loyalty was not in question.

In relation to the above, who would you rather send in to check out the Ecliptic Express when contact was lost?

August 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Alan Wenpei Mao
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TheBatMan at August 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM

I would argue the reason Sergei never founded the U.S.S. is because they likely already existed before he joined the company. 

The U.B.C.S. were for the most part, expendable. That was the reason they were all mercenaries and war criminals and not directly tied to the company. Their remit was for missions with a predicted high-mortality rate. 

The U.S.S. worked in smaller squads, were better trained and more covert. Much like the S.A.S. or Navy S.E.A.L.S. Plus their loyalty was not in question.

In relation to the above, who would you rather send in to check out the Ecliptic Express when contact was lost?

If you wanted stuff done right, the USS. If you wanted to cut cost, then the UBCS.

August 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Alan Wenpei Mao
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In Resident Evil Operation Raccoon City, the USS were familar with Hunk and were following his orders. They supposedly got their training in Rockfort Island, yet there is not one mention of it in the game. Feel free to respond to this.

 

REORC presented a new perspective of the USS and UBCS, but it was an alternative universe. The USS outclass the UBCS in equipment and personel and training. USS have specialized equipement made especially for them. Maybe the reason why Umbrella uses UBCS more is because of USS gear costs. Do Umbrella use the UBCS more or the USS?

 

I have the game, but it hasn't been patched yet, so all of the bugs are making it hard to play. Has anyone heard of a patch for the PC yet? Its actually quite fun.

 

 

August 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Hm, I would probably invest in a team that actually gets things done without losing 95 to 100 percent of their team members. Somehow I think that what training both the USS and the UCBS received did not include enough intel about B.O.W.s and outbreak scenarios. On the other hand: if USS and UBCS had been more successful the games would probably be about them and not Jill, Claire and Leon :-) ...

@Alan Wenpei: When it comes to REORC my opinion goes back and forth. I love the general idea to view the events in Raccoon City from a different angle, I enjoyed meeting characters like HUNK and Nicholai again and the fact that you got the opportunity to kill off Leon in the end was thrilling to say the least. But gameplay-wise I simply hate ORC. Can't get the hang of those damn shooter controls!!!

I'm not sure if there is a patch for PC yet. I have the Xbox version which seems to run just fine.

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August 20, 2013 at 7:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Alan Wenpei Mao
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I would like to add that before Resident evil Operation Raccoon City was released, that there was an article that said Wolf Pack was training with the Rockfort Island tyrant. I cannot remember the magazine that said this, but it could be Famitsu. It said there was a training level that took place on Rockfort Island with the blunt claw Tyrant.

I don't recall if any members of the UBCS, such as Carlos, Mikhail, or Nicholai, had mentioned anything about their training in any of the games. I think that we need to look into the dialogue that they have spoken in the games.

@fletcherc: I just managed to get a Xbox 360 copy and it is still fun to play. Thanks for the suggestion!

September 14, 2013 at 3:57 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Alan Wenpei Mao at August 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM

In Resident Evil Operation Raccoon City, the USS were familar with Hunk and were following his orders. They supposedly got their training in Rockfort Island, yet there is not one mention of it in the game. Feel free to respond to this.

 

REORC presented a new perspective of the USS and UBCS, but it was an alternative universe. The USS outclass the UBCS in equipment and personel and training. USS have specialized equipement made especially for them. Maybe the reason why Umbrella uses UBCS more is because of USS gear costs. Do Umbrella use the UBCS more or the USS?

 

I have the game, but it hasn't been patched yet, so all of the bugs are making it hard to play. Has anyone heard of a patch for the PC yet? Its actually quite fun.

 

 

The only refrence I know of regarding training on Rockfort is the one file in Resident Evil Code: Veronica ~


HUNK's REPORT (Project Umbrella Translation)

Director Mr. Alfred Ashford
Today, 16:32
We arrived safely with the large B.O.W. capsule from the Umbrella transport base.
Extreme attention was paid during transportation and after arrival, as per official regulations, the 108 item checks were confirmed all green. It is now preserved in a frozen state.


However, why were we, usually sent on special missions, transferred to a mission to transport a single frozen capsule this time?
Even if it's top-secret, I can't guarantee safety in a transport mission without having information about the contents to some extent. In future, in the case of such a mission, please provide information.


Still, it doesn't seem to have changed here at all since those days.
I fondly remember the time I spent at this military training school.


I will proceed to a separate mission from 23:00 today.
Umbrella Security Service
HUNK



Getting back to the U.B.C.S / U.S.S distinction, it's clear from their portrayal in Resident Evil 3 that almost anyone with almost any history who can handle a gun & is prepared to use it, can qualify for this very expendable guerilla force; while the U.S.S are clearly of much higher value, status & training, as described in Archives II - "an elite taskforce under the direct supervison of Umbrella executives."


This greater status of importance is evident in Hunk's tone when he, being careful not to offend (hence the almost sycophantic reminiscent refrence to his past on Rockfort), barates Alfred for not providng him with sufficient information on his cargo, so as to assess its danger....  an oversight only the U.B.C.S should have to put up with, and certainly not the lofty U.S,S !!


Hunk's Report (PAL localisation transcript)

There's one thing that I don't understand. We are normally assigned to special missions. Why were we ordered to transport a frozen capsule this time? I understand that this may be classified as top-secret, but without knowledge of the contents, our safety could be at risk during this transport. This is especially important if the contents are potentially harmful. We would like to ask you provide us with more information, should we be assigned similar missions in the future?

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October 2, 2013 at 4:05 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Project Umbrella's exclusive interiew with Biohazard 3 scenario writer Yasuhisa Kawamura has a question & detailed answer on the origins of the U.B.C.S. ~


Q13) What inspired the creation of the U.B.C.S.?

U.B.C.S. or Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service is a private special operations force owned and operated by Umbrella Corp. As such, all U.B.C.S. military personnel are under contract and work for Umbrella.

Umbrella specializes in selling biological and chemical weapons such as B.O.W.s to any nation in the world that can afford it. Due to the volatile nature of such weapons, accidents can and do occur from time to time. Since the use of biochemical weaponry is classified by nature, in such cases it may be difficult for a nation to utilize its own military to intervene. This is where U.B.C.S. comes into play. U.B.C.S. is responsible for neutralizing "products" that have gone out of control, decontaminating the affected areas and rescuing civilians in danger.

Due to the nature of their mission, U.B.C.S. face an enormous amount of risk and suffers from an extremely high mortality rate. The members are comprised almost exclusively of mercenaries and convicted felons with military experience who serve in the force as an alternative to capital punishment. However, they are provided with reasonably good equipment. In the 1990's M4A1s and SIGPROs were standard issue arms. Members are vaccinated to be able to withstand a certain amount of infection and are given proper training on counter-B.O.W. warfare so they are by no means just a ragtag group of fighters.

Now of course, no amount of equipment and training could have ever prepared them for a nightmare scenario with a city of 100,000 zombified citizens and mutant creatures...

The circumstances under which the U.B.C.S. was deployed into Raccoon City is very complicated. Their primary and most important objective was the successful recovery of the "G-Virus" samples that Dr. Birkin held. Umbrella's Chicago branch was slowly losing control over Dr. Birkin and was plotting an assassination to get rid of him. Dr. Birkin, who had already become distrustful of the corporation, figured that he would eventually be held responsible for the Spencer Mansion Incident (the plot of BIOHAZARD 1) that resulted in the leaking of sensitive research data. He expected that an elite team of agents would be sent into Raccoon City under the guise of hunting down Jill and Chris, with their real motive being to kill him and steal the G-Virus samples.

Preempting this assault, Dr. Birkin increased the amount of toxic waste generated by his research facility to such levels where it overwhelmed the waste treatment plant creating a state of biohazard. The biohazard conditions ended up unleashing the T-Virus zombifing the employees and researchers working within. The damage didn't stop there and the infection quickly spread throughout the city, transforming the place into an inhospitable zombie wasteland. Successfully holed up within this biohazard zone, Dr. Birkin negotiated with ranking officials within the United States government, requesting protection in exchange for providing the G-Virus and its research data.

The U.S. government, keen in acquiring Umbrella's top scientist and the research data for the latest B.O.W., quickly agreed to send in a team of U.S. special ops forces to extradite Dr. Birkin. Learning of this development, Umbrella airlifted six Tyrant B.O.W.s into the industrial area of the city (per scenes from BIO 2), where they fought with the U.S. special ops team. The special ops team waged a heavy battle, but was annihilated before they had a chance to use their anti-B.O.W. weapon, a rail gun called "Paracelsus' Sword". (The Tyrants were also annihilated, as you would know if you've played the final stage of BIO 3.)

In the event where the extradition mission failed, the U.S. military had plans in place to destroy the entirety of Raccoon City with a nuclear missile, but in an attempt to buy time Umbrella leaked video feeds of the U.B.C.S. operating within the city, promoting a "humane rescue mission" to the public. This tactic succeeded and while the entire U.B.C.S. team perished, enough valuable time was bought to allow Umbrella agents to successfully recover samples of the G-Virus before the city was destroyed.

Additionally, the U.B.C.S. is also used at times to conduct performance analysis and collect combat effectiveness data of the various B.O.W.s that Umbrella developed.

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October 3, 2013 at 1:14 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Alan Wenpei Mao
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Most of the U. B. C. S. has little to no experience then. In this regard, the Monitors in the U. B. C. S. probably have the most experience then. Members that survive multiple battles are more likely to survive the next encounter. Unless Umbrella puts the most focus on finding more expandables instead of experience.:D

I just realized that Umbrella might turn some of their own U.B.C.S. into BOW weapons when they outlive their usefulness. That would explain why there are people that always have little or no experience. And why the Monitors try to off their own less experienced members. BOW experiments, such as the Nemesis project could have been members from the U. B. C. S. as well as other sources.

November 3, 2013 at 9:08 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Aren't the armed soldiers that were supervised by William and Wesker to shoot James Marcus supposed to be early U.S.S. soldiers? Also, I vaguely recall that Code Veronica had a mention of an 'anti-B.O.W.' unit trained at the Military Training Facility. I'm not sure if it has been retconned into the U.S.S. or the U.B.C.S.?

September 15, 2016 at 12:03 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Hunter Alpha at September 15, 2016 at 12:03 AM

Aren't the armed soldiers that were supervised by William and Wesker to shoot James Marcus supposed to be early U.S.S. soldiers? Also, I vaguely recall that Code Veronica had a mention of an 'anti-B.O.W.' unit trained at the Military Training Facility. I'm not sure if it has been retconned into the U.S.S. or the U.B.C.S.?

I like to think the men who betrayed Dr Marcus on Wesker's command stayed loyal to him within a special 'inner-circle' unit, their assisination of an Umbrella executive may have made continuing employment within Umbrella problematic, but more likely would now be in the pocket of Wekser, and went on to form the special force who invaded Rockfort Island under his leadership.


Cannot think of any mention in Code:Veronica to an anti-B.O.W. unit specifically trained on-site, unless you were thinking of Hunk's Report which refences Hunk's USS training on Rockfort?

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September 18, 2016 at 3:23 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Hunter Alpha
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't James Marcus assassination ordered by Spencer himself? Also, supposedly the official version was that he was fired from the company. Therefore, it wouldn't be a problem having those men remain in the company. Then there's the fact that James Marcus was killed in 1988, but Wesker didn't switch to the intelligence division until 1991, so I'm not sure how good his connections would have been at the time.


As for the anti-BOW unit, I finally found the reference I recalled, which is related to the Gulp Worm:


It is still in the prototype stage and was brought to Rockfort Island for data collection and mock battles were repeated against trainees of the Anti-B.O.W. Countermeasure Force present in the base.

 

http://projectumbrella.net/articles/BIOHAZARD-CODEVeronica-Kaitai-Shinsho#GULPWORMPage078


The B.O.W. is still in the prototype stage and it was also used in the Rockfort Island training center for the training of the Anti-B.O.W. Countermeasure Service, and combat tests were repeated.


http://projectumbrella.net/articles/INSIDE-BIOHAZARD-DARKSIDE-CHRONICLES#GULPWORMpage061


The Gulp Worm is still an experimental stage B.O.W., and in the training facility, combat tests are repeated against trainees of the Anti-B.O.W. Countermeasure Service.


http://projectumbrella.net/articles/Gulp-Worm-Notes


From these 3 sources I'm inclined to think that it's an alternate name for the UBCS. Contrary to PU's japanese translation, the english transcript for the last one used the name "Anti-BOW Squad", so that must be the one I remembered.


However, Darkside Chronicles file on the T-078 goes a bit further than the original version:


It was transported to the island for training of the Umbrella Security Service, and Alfred awoke it.


http://projectumbrella.net/articles/Tyrant-T-103-Mass-Produced-Type-Notes


This one would indicate that the U.S.S. also conducted anti-BOW training at the Rockfort Island. The english transcript called them "Umbrella special forces unit".


The first article I linked also had a Q&A with the Code Veronica staff, who mentioned this:


In the military training facility, various B.O.W.s and viruses were kept for anti-B.O.W. warfare training.


In short, it seems that both the UBCS and USS conducted anti-BOW training at Rockfort island with at least two specific BOWs: the former with the Gulp Worm and the later with the T-078 Tyrant.


As an additiona note, it's also at Rockfort Island where Claire finds the Anti-BOW gas grenade rounds, which supposedly use the P-Epsilon gas from RE2 that caused the Ivy BOW to become a Poison Ivy.

September 18, 2016 at 9:18 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The "Anti-B.O.W. Countermeasure Service" is separate from the U.S.S. and U.B.C.S., according to Archives. It has an independent glossary entry.

October 9, 2016 at 10:33 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Has this Anti-B.O.W. Countermeasure Service been mentioned elsewhere? Other than the UBCS and USS, as well as the non-human UT Unit (also tasked with destroying rogue BOWs), the soldiers from the investigation teams sent to the Management Training Facility are the among the few I could iamgine were prepared to fight BOWs.

On the other hand, would this mean that the most of the UBCS didn't receive any anti-BOW training at all? I said "most" since I imagine that the monitors working among their ranks, that do were aware of Umbrella's activites could be the exception and have been given some training in case of contingency.

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